On the Expansion of Monadic Second-Order Logic with Cantor-Bendixson Rank and Order Type Predicates

Thomas Colcombet, Alexander Rabinovich

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Abstract

In this work, we consider two extensions of monadic second-order logic, and study in what cases the classical decidability results are preserved. The first extension, MSO[CBrankβ], is MSO (over the signature of the binary tree) augmented with the extra ability to express that the subtree over a set X has Cantor-Bendixson rank β, for some fixed countable ordinal β. We show that this extension is decidable over the binary tree if and only if β is finite, which means that it is decidable if and only if it is equivalent in expressiveness to MSO. The second extension, MSO[otpα], is MSO (over the signature of order) augmented with the extra ability to express that the suborder induced by a set X has order type α for some fixed countable ordinal α. We show that this extension is decidable over countable ordinals if and only if α < ωω, which means that it is decidable if and only if it is equivalent in expressiveness to MSO. The first result can be established as a consequence of the second. The second result relies on the undecidability results of the logic BMSO (itself relying on the undecidability of MSO+U) in the case of ωβ for β a limit ordinal, and on entirely new techniques when β is a successor ordinal. We also have some partial extensions of the second result to some uncountable cases.

Original languageEnglish
Title of host publication33rd EACSL Annual Conference on Computer Science Logic, CSL 2025
EditorsJorg Endrullis, Sylvain Schmitz
PublisherSchloss Dagstuhl- Leibniz-Zentrum fur Informatik GmbH, Dagstuhl Publishing
ISBN (Electronic)9783959773621
DOIs
StatePublished - 3 Feb 2025
Event33rd EACSL Annual Conference on Computer Science Logic, CSL 2025 - Amsterdam, Netherlands
Duration: 10 Feb 202514 Feb 2025

Publication series

NameLeibniz International Proceedings in Informatics, LIPIcs
Volume326

Conference

Conference33rd EACSL Annual Conference on Computer Science Logic, CSL 2025
Country/TerritoryNetherlands
CityAmsterdam
Period10/02/2514/02/25

Keywords

  • Algorithmic model theory
  • Binary tree
  • Logic
  • Monadic second-order logic
  • Ordinals

All Science Journal Classification (ASJC) codes

  • Software

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